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Announcements! 
Author: Thais Sobkneferu 
Date:   03-17-01 09:58


Please use this new topic for announcements concerning Qenbet. 


Qenbet guidelines Author: Thais Sobkneferu Date: 03-18-01 08:10 Please read the Guidelines for Qenbet which have been added to the story guide. Thais, Heir to the Crown
Should we post? Author: Ahktenar Date: 03-19-01 09:38 The short answer is yes. What we are doing is to encourage people to post at AS for as long as it lasts. We would also like folks to cross post to the Delphi site. Everyone can sign on there, and continue the story lines. This way nothing gets lost and we stay current with the storylines. Now, PanHistoria is a different matter. Not everyone has been able to get in. I've asked for a list of people who have not yet gotten in, that wish to. This has only received only a few replies. This tells me that we have a majority here of those wishing to join. This was the criteria for starting the posts here. However, we don't want to leave anyone behind. Those of you who are at PanHistoria now may begin posting using the existing topics. These posts should be cross posted to the Delphi site until everyone gets in. This way those not in PH yet can keep up with the stories. We ask that no one create new topics with out consulting a board member. The board members are listed on the dust jacket (the main page for our group/novel). We're hoping to keep things a little more organized than it has been at AS. *S* Those who are still waiting to get in have two options. You post at AS and Delphi, and wait to post at PH. You can then add in all your posts at once at PH. The other option is to ask someone already there to post for you. This will keep your posts current with everyone elses. The heading for these posts should read something like "This post, by someone else - your name". This technique is being used by some of the other novels to bring in old posts to the new site. We have the archives for this purpose. Bringing the posts from Delphi and/or AS this way will keep you in the story while you're waiting to get in. I know that it's a bother to post at all three places at once. It's the only way we can let everyone participate during this transition period. AS will end on March 30, that will remove one of the places to post. PanHistoria is hoping to open their doors soon. This will then eliminate the Delphi site, and we can all continue at PH with all the posts in place. Since I've probably confused everyone, feel free to IM me, leave a message at my per, leave a post here (best option, so everyone can get the answers), or e-mail me at ahktenar@yahoo.com.
Reorganization of the Novel posts Author: Ahktenar Date: 03-27-01 14:28 We have changed the way posts are to be made in the novel. We have adopted a hierarchical structure, so that sub-plots can be made. Typically, these will involve actions set in a particular city. At present, these are the only sub-plots planned. I have set two examples in place to show how this should work. Please contact a board member BEFORE creating a sub-plot. The main plot line will continue in the same manner. If you have any questions, please contact a board member. As you can see, things are a bit jumbled up to this point. That should straighten out now. For example, the post "Clearing a path to Petra" can be the first sub-plot. Any posts for Petra and Nabataea should be made in reply to that post. The next post that can be considered part of the main story line can begin the "sub-plot" for the main story line. It may be a little confusing right now, but it won't take long to get used to it. I've been told that using this structure will mean that the topic will fill up faster. This simply means that we will start LIQ7 sooner than we would have. This is just like we have done in the past at AncientSites, and for the same reasons. When we have filled LIQ6, and must start a new topic, we will reevaluate whether we need separate topics for the cities.
Chat Room Author: Thais Sobkneferu Date: 04-08-01 03:05 At Desert Dweller's suggestion we've set up a chatroom for Qenbet. Many thanks Dez :-) Hopefully we can use this to keep in touch with those still not in Pan: (Archivist's NB: Chat room no longer available)
RE: Chat Rooms Are Available At PanHistoria, Too! Author: Sekhmet Meritamen Date: 04-08-01 07:28 Em hotep, Thais! Thank you for posting the URL to Desert Dweller. Bravenet chatrooms are a great free option - they do have a tendancy to crash some browsers, such as Netscape 4.x and Opera. Im not sure what their applet is that Bravenet uses, but it does not make my machine very happy! *grin* One thing that I would like to mention is that you don't have to go off site to chat if it is more convenient to do so here. I am amazed at how few people use or are even aware that we have some really wonderful chat rooms here on PanHistoria. They use the Shockwave application, so it causes minimal problems overall. I would love to see people use them more and help us with this feature from a development point of view by trying them out and taking them for a test drive. :-) We want to know what you think! As we are all so often saying, we are a beta site, and so we really *do* need your assistance in helping us with those things. That help is greatly appreaciated. :-) Perhaps the easiest way to find the chatrooms is in the upper pulldown menu to select the Site map, scroll down and you will see a choice of either the Tea Room and the Coffee House. When you click on either, you type in a nickname, (it does not have to be the one you are using at the moment as a character), and click on a room that is already there or make a new one and invite your friends for a chat or hold your novel meetings there. In future the chatrooms will have a logging feature where you can store logs of chats directly onto your own PC hard drive for those conversations you want to save.
RE: Chat Rooms Are Available At PanHistoria, Too! Author: Thais Sobkneferu Date: 04-08-01 10:45 Hi Sekhmet, the reason I put up the chat room link was to enable those at Pan to talk to the people who are not in Pan. I've been told by the Nomarch of the 5th Nome of Lower Egypt that most of her active citizens are not at Pan. I've been led to understand that Desert Dweller has 40 people in her nome who are not in Pan. That is why I went offsite for a chat room so that we could chat with them and encourage them to cross post. However, I'm glad for the feedback about the applet causing your browser to crash. I know this can be a problem so I'm hoping to find a free chat room that won't cause browser problems. Anyone any ideas?
People still not here... Author: Tjeti Priest Date: 04-08-01 11:23 Em hotep Thais, I happen to know that there are now only 80 people left on the mailing list. I find it hard to believe that half of them are Qenbet members. *grin* There is a difference between active people and people who are listed as city members. I had a number of priests back in AS - whom I never saw again. But regardless of that - I need to urge anyone who has friends who are not yet here to send an email to panhistoriafeedback@hotmail.com and get signed up! Obviously when the site launches people will be able to just wander on without being specially invited, but right now the Publishers are working to get all refugees onboard here - so please, please, urge your friends to write feedback so we can get them in as soon as possible. We don't want to hold back anyone who is now homeless.
RE: Chat Rooms Are Available At PanHistoria, Too! ....TA DAH Author: Desert Dweller Date: 04-08-01 12:27 Realy chat rooms here.That is news to me.So I read it then I checked it out.To my oh so much surpise I crashed when I did. Now that could be a bug thing and a wait and see thing.And because I am Loyal to Qenbet and Pi I will waite and see... I have to say in the year I have used Bravenet chat rooms I have not had it crash anyone.I will pass that on to them They would want to know aswell.Also these are new set ups.Upgraded for both IE and NS.I was a tester for them with it. You can not believe people are either still waiting or won't come.I know people face to face that say they will not be back.I pleaded with them "using your words ,its a beta" To no avail.they said direct quote"I .will never go back,it is clickish and very confusing.There seems to be no room for people who do not have a NAME or TITLE,or who are not RICH." Yes I know many not here I know many that will not come.Please do not tell Thais that it is hard to believe you do not know. DesertDweller H Heri-teo a'a of the 5th Sebet Qenbet and of the 15th Sebet Pi Ramesses.
Distressing: Author: Sekhmet Meritamen Date: 04-08-01 13:00 Em hotep Desert Dweller: I have heard on occassion that PanHistoria is confusing and yes, there is a learning curve. We are, quite honestly NOT AS, nor will we strive to be. If that keeps people away, Im sorry to hear of that. I am distressed to hear charges of this site being cliquish or intended for those who have money or not. The basic membership here is free. I think that there is a perception that only the select few have gotten on the site and it really has been based on a first come, first served basis. I have also talked to folks who didnt know how to sign up for the email list by merely hitting "Send" on their email to be added to PanHistoria. They were genuinely confused at the idea that clicking on the link brought up an email box. While most users are not that much in the realm of novice, there is, as I have said, a bit of a curve to negotiate the site. If there are specific problems I want to hear about them and be able to address those concerns. If not given the opportunity to do so, then there is little I or the site creators can do for them.
RE: People still not here...RE: THATS RIGHT Author: Desert Dweller Date: 04-08-01 13:03 "I happen to know that there are now only 80 people left on the mailing list." Quoted from Tjeti's letter to Thasis" A surprise you say. Don't be! First off not all of them are in Qenbet,and to make it even clearer. many of them were new to AS that I suggested right away to apply to Pan.Then to come down and get to know the world till you can get on."Pan" "We don't want to hold back anyone who is now homeless." Quoted from Tjeti's letter to Thais.We / They are not homeless at all they have a home and a good one.One that I worked hard on.I am still working hard on it.Others have worked hard on it as well,Our friends will never be HOMELESS. Desert Dweller H Heri-Tep a'a of the 5th Sebet Wadjits Domain Qenbet Heri-Tep a'a of the 15th Sebet Kem-wer's Domain Pi Ramesses
RE: Chat Rooms Are Available At PanHistoria, Too! ....TA DAH Author: Tjeti Priest Date: 04-08-01 13:25 Dear Desert Dweller, I only know what people tell me. There are both the wish list and bug report areas for people to report problems - and since we ARE in beta that would be extremely helpful since otherwise how do we know? I'm sorry about that chatrooms crashing your browser, that's a real pain. I haven't had any problem myself but I confess I rarely use chatrooms at all. I hated the old ones at AS and generally I'm not a chatroom kind of guy. I think Pan Historia might be looking into other chatroom setups anyway. But if you cared to report your problems that would be really helpful - and chatroom software that would be better. As for people waiting, well I know there are people waiting. My point was that the mailing list is growing shorter as Kemsit works her way through inviting people so if people know of lots of folks waiting, then push em to the mailing list so they can get their invites. As for some people not liking the place, that's regrettable, but unavoidable. I've heard the full range of opinions from "I love it" to "it's got potential" to "it sucks". You can't please all of the people all of the time. I believe that was PT Barnum who said that. Some people find it hard to navigate, some find it easy. I'm sort of in the middle ground myself. I love the site, I'm committed to it - but I see a lot of room for improvement. What really excites me is that being here right in the beginning is such a great opportunity to help shape the site. So by using the memberboards and speaking up about what you want to see here in a positive way - we can all profit. After all, it's new and it's community, and community is all about the people who make up the community.
A reminder Author: Ahktenar Date: 04-09-01 10:26 #1 This topic is for announcements only. Replies that expand on or clarify the announcements are welcome. Discussions like those for the chatrooms and problems with the group should be posted under the General Discussion topic. #2 Back on AS, I requested that those who were still waiting to get in should let me know. I only received 5 responses. I had guessed that we would start with only a population of about 40 when we got here. If there really are another 40 people waiting, have them get on the list, and let me know who they are. I can't promise to get them in faster. I can only ask. Remember, if we don't know about the problem, we can't do anything about it.
RE: A reminder Author: Desert Dweller Date: 04-09-01 12:17 Iam sorry if I was rude to anyone.I truly do not think I was. Sarcastic yes I was very much so.I always am,sometimes it helps,some times it doesent.I will have to say,I never plan to change that. I was also defending a person that did something for a good reason.
Date of the funeral of Pharaoh Ma'at-ib-Re Nesnut Author: Thais Sobkneferu Date: 04-16-01 12:17 The funeral of Per'aa Ma'at-ib-Re Nesnut will take place next Monday (April 23). If for some reason the chief participants in the funeral rites are unable to post on this date then the funeral will take place as soon as possible after that date.
RE: People still not here Author: Ahktenar Date: 04-16-01 13:04 The announcement has been made that PanHistoria has sent invitations to everyone on the mailing list. You can read the announcement here: http://www.panhistoria.com/Guild/MemberAdministration/memberboards/read.php?f=3&i=118&t=45 If you know of anyone who was on the mailing list and DIDN'T get an invite have them write to panhistoriafeedback@hotmail.com. Apparently, there was some problems with some of the e-mail addresses. Anyone new wishing to be added to the mailing list should send word to the same address. Now that the list is up to date, the waiting period should not be as long.
Where will the Heri-Tep a'a fit in Author: Desert Dweller Date: 04-23-01 00:26 Just wondering where to go and what to do when we get here.. Dez
RE: Where will the Heri-Tep a'a fit in Author: Mirjam Date: 04-23-01 01:30 Reading the novel posts would probably be a good starting point. That way you´ll get into the plotline and can find out what´s happening right now. From there you can develop your interaction with the group, and get your cowriting started. As an aside, you might want to use the General Discussion thread for questions instead.
NEWS! Author: Ahktenar Date: 04-24-01 11:30 We have changed the way posts are to be made in the novel AGAIN. The hierarchical structure was working fine for creating sub-plots. Unfortunately, many people felt that they could create sub-plots at will. This caused the posts to become increasingly confusing. Additionally, that format caused the load time for the posts to become increasingly longer with each post added. We weren't aware of this problem when we switched. This was what made us decide to change back to the original format. This is the same format used for most of the other novels. If you have any questions, please contact a board member.
History Channel Series on New Discoveries Author: Imhotep Date: 05-20-01 12:06 I'm hoping that this is the proper place to post this. Mon. May 28th 9:00PM EST will be the first part in a 4 part documentary series of the new archeological discoveries in Egypt. Today on A&E I watched a special on the making of this series and it promises to be very interesting to all of us here that have a love of this period.
RE: History Channel Series on New Discoveries Author: Mirjam Date: 05-21-01 01:33 Thank you so much for posting this, Imhotep! :) And yes, it´s a good place to post it too :)
Wow! That sounds cool! Author: Akhenheru Hatshepsut Date: 05-22-01 14:00 It sounds like an interesting show, Imhotep ! ;-) Is that going to be on A & E too?
Just Some Fun Stuff...... Author: Akhenheru Hatshepsut Date: 05-22-01 14:06 Here's some fun stuff that doesn't really have to do with Egypt, but y'all might enjoy them in any case. My new Harry Potter RPG, which will be getting off the ground VERY soon. Hogwarts -- The Next Generation And my weblog (aka blog) -- kind of a diary, kinda not. But still fun. http://fantabulous.blogspot.com Sign the g-book! ;-)
Basteta-Tiye is back! Author: Basteta-Tiye Date: 05-26-01 04:30 Forgive me all for being absent so long. Major job change and the accompaning upheavals have kept me mired in RL far longer than I wanted. And now the thunderstorm/hurricane season is starting. My home state of North Carolina is number 2 in the nation for lightening strikes so at the least sign of trouble I unplug the computer. The good news is that I will have more time to devote to Qenbet. So fire away and tell your Queen all your problems, ask questions, make suggestions.... Basteta-Tiye
New and Old Writers Topics Author: Basteta-Tiye Date: 06-11-01 14:34 The previous writing topics will be closed in 24 hours. Please archive any posts you wish to keep. A new group is being formed, please see the new topic for details. Basteta-Tiye
RE: New and Old Writers Topics Author: Tjeti Priest Date: 06-11-01 16:40 Twenty four hours doesn't give anyone enough time to archive. Some people do not login everyday - I would appreciate it if you gave more notice than that before I delete the topics for you. I'm curious - was there some discussion I missed about getting rid of the Qenbet's Writing Workshop? I was rather fond of the old thing. I'm also not sure I understand the new system. You mean that we are not to post and discuss it but rather to have mentors?
RE: New and Old Writers Topics Author: Sekhmet Meritamen Date: 06-11-01 17:00 I agree Tjeti, 24 hours is not nearly enough time to allow people to back up their posts. Not everyone signs in every day for whatever reason, and so in all fairness, we probably should give the thread a stay until it is a more reasonable amount of time.
RE: New and Old Writers Topics Author: Iset Ahhotep Date: 06-11-01 19:43 As an agent here at Pan who deletes topics for Board Members I'll say up front that 24 hours is completely insufficient time as notice. I won't do it until there has been a weeks notice for the membership to have the opportunity to save what they have written. I'm going to agree with Tjeti here as well about closing the Writer's threads as well. I think they are a marvelous idea and I was glad to see them finally beginning to enjoy some discussion. In the past at AS I enjoyed reading what others had to say and learned quite a bit. So I guess I'd like to see some discussion from the members or at the very least concensus among the Board Members. Just my two cents worth.
RE: New and Old Writers Topics Author: KaRa Date: 06-11-01 21:26 I believe that there can be two ways to improve our writing. Let those who would prefer the more private one on one atmosphere join the Queen's group and enjoy their mentors and at the same time keep the writer's workshop thread open for those who enjoy putting forth their ideas for all to see and discuss. I, for one, feel that there was a great amount of fresh air being admitted into Qenbet through lively discussion. However, I also feel that just as soon as the discussion started there was a move to quash it. Why not have the two groups and provide two different forums for expression where one can express himself in his most comfortable way?
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Basteta-Tiye Date: 06-12-01 03:35 All I am doing here is to set up a little structure and to have a page with resource links and directions for newer members. The general discussion will still take place on the topic but the critiques will take place off-line. I want to see things posted such as Thubi's piece on the seasons and weather in Kemet, word lists, and such that writers can use to beef up their story posts. How about a piece on collaborating with several others on a story that covers the joys and pitfalls of the process? Or one about illustrating your story line with your per page or personal web pages? How about live chats? By having the actual reworking of posts take place off-line and in private, more people will be apt to participate since the embarassment factor has been removed. You choose a mentor (or two) from the volunteer list and work with them to improve your writing skills. With people identified as "experts" on various topics, writers will know who to contact for help on subjects they wish to use in their stories. Sekhmet may not know the answer to my medical question but she will be able to give me leads on where to research the material for myself. A "formal" group sets up a visible support network of people to contact for help, collaboration and feedback. When a person joins the group, we know who is interested in feedback on their work and the rest of the members can send private messages after the story is posted on the LIQ topic. A pat on the back from a writer you respect is a great encouragement to keep writing. I will wait a week before having Wyatt remove the threads (we have already spoken about it, Iset.) I hope those of you who have commented will join the new group and volunteer as mentors and area experts. Board member discussions take place off-site and in private. This is done so that all Qenbet members feel free to post their views, to cut down on adminstrative posts and avoid confusion. Duties have been split up among the Royal Family and the Vizier so no one person shoulders the entire burden. When one of us posts to start a new topic or group the issue has already been discussed and agreed upon. In starting the writers group, all of your public and private comments have been taken into consideration with its formation. If the members of Qenbet will participate this will be a fruitful venture for us all.
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Sekhmet Meritamen Date: 06-12-01 06:49 Basteta-Tiye wrote: With people identified as "experts" on various topics, writers will know who to contact for help on subjects they wish to use in their stories. Sekhmet may not know the answer to my medical question but she will be able to give me leads on where to research the material for myself. I probably will know the answer regardless, Basteta, and I do like people to do their own research. Certainly Ive always suggested reference materials. I've alway done that. However be aware that that's a double edged sword, like Mirjam on religious issues, if you make an Ancient Egyptian medical faux pas, you're probably going to hear about it from me! ;-) I do however have a rather strong objection to the way that the networking is being suggested to go off site.If that is what you want, why have a community site at all? I thought the idea was to keep the Qenbet community together as much as possible, but what you are suggesting contradicts that idea. Am I reading it wrong? We have endeavored to provide provide chatrooms and resources, with the idea that the site serves as a base for the community. From the standpoint of being both a Publisher, and as a simple member of Qenbet I find myself wondering as to the need for migration to an off-site venue. How will this be handled? Via email, mailing list? Please be a little more specific, if possible. It is useful for the site developers etc to know these things. What things do you need in order to keep Qenbet members on the site? I would also like to hear from the other members ofthe board, and see those discussions be more public, I think if this group in this community is going to build trust among its membership and in so doing grow and blossom in ways that we hope it does, that would be a requisite. I would like to hear the thoughts of others on this matter.
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Tarset Hatshepsut Date: 06-12-01 07:56 As a less than confident writer, I like the idea of being critiqued offline rather than wade through the embarrassment of having my post publicly critized or receiving unsolicited emails. Creating a portion of the group offsite does not necessarily mean we would just all pack up, part and parcel, and go offsite. I'm sure I speak for several when I say that. About a week ago I was speaking with one of my friends and we both noted that the Egyptian community we had come to love so much from AS has all but disappeared. In saying this I do not lay blame at Pan's feet, but when you have a myriad of characters to choose from and novels, one tends to get lost in the mix. This offsite idea for at least the writer's group could be a good way to start rebuilding that community and creating more interaction between the members of Qenbet. To be honest, I see this as an excellent tool for interaction. Where I normally may never have spoken to you Sekhmet, through the writer's group I could be paired up with you and great things could happen. You never know. *smile* Though it would be nice to hear from the other Board Members, I was under the impression from Basteta's recent post and also understand this from another Board Member of Qenbet, that when ideas like these are posted, they have already been agreed upon by the Board Members. I would imagine in essence that would mean if one speaks, he/she speaks for them all.
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Sekhmet Meritamen Date: 06-12-01 08:38 Tarset Hatshepsut wrote: > Though it would be nice to hear from the other Board Members, > I was under the impression from Basteta's recent post and > also understand this from another Board Member of Qenbet, > that when ideas like these are posted, they have already been > agreed upon by the Board Members. I would imagine in essence > that would mean if one speaks, he/she speaks for them > all. I may normally agree, however in this case Im not sure that I do. Akhentar, who I know is very good at keeping people informed publically has been strangely silent. I would like to hear from him, since he is also a board member.
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Basteta-Tiye Date: 06-12-01 08:48 Sekhmet Meritamen wrote: --I probably will know the answer regardless, Basteta, and I do like people to do their own research. Certainly Ive always suggested reference materials. I've alway done that. However be aware that that's a double edged sword, like Mirjam on religious issues, if you make an Ancient Egyptian medical faux pas, you're probably going to hear about it from me! -- Of course, but I hope that you will do that privately. For general questions it is much easier for the person to simply ask and be answered, if they need more than a gentle push in the right direction would be fine. Not everyone has the time or access to correct information to research every detail in a story. I would love to see you volunteer as an expert so that if someone wants to really delve into ancient medicine as a storyline they could enlist you as a "topic" mentor. --(I do however have a rather strong objection to the way that the networking is being suggested to go off site.-- Let me try and explain this again. The group is on site and the general discussions are on site, as are the final story posts which will be in the LIQ topic. The mentoring process would go like this: Tefnut is a new member and hasn't written anything before. She finds the Writers Group and joins it. Looking at the list of members she recognizes a couple of names from the list whose writing she liked. She is a little shy at approaching Tetisheri who is a mentor volunteer but since Rosenetka is someone she has chatted with before and is also a member, she brings it up to Rose. Tefnut is reassured that sending Tetisheri an message asking her to be her mentor is what the group is all about. Messages are exchanged, Tetisheri agrees to be mentor and Tefnut sends her a draft post. Tetisheri gently points out that Tefnut go back and read the writing guidelines for things like spellcheck and points out the kemetic word list. This is an assortment of names and terms submitted by the group and can be added to Tefnut's word processing programs personal dictionary. Tefnut reworks the piece and sends it back to her mentor. This time they may work on grammer or plot, whatever is needed. Once Tefnut is satisfied with her work she posts it in LIQ (with a credit at the end to thank her mentor.) We all get to read and enjoy the final draft. The writing group members will be encouraged to send feedback to Tefnut privately (this goes for any LIQ post by a group member.) Tefnut can also post a note on the group topic that she has just completed a story and would like the comments to be posted on the group topic as part of the regular discussion rather than privately. This shouldn't stop people from posting comments on the general discussion topics pointing out great ideas or asking general questions, just keep people from being lambasted about their writing skills. I would like mentors to list what level of work they can do when they volunteer, some people are great at plot, others are teachers and can handle working on grammer. This way, writers who have a good grasp of the writing mechanics but want to work on other things like relationships, plotting, details, etc can find mentors as well. That is one reason I had two mentors in my B5 group and I worked my story with both before posting. I would also hope that as new resources are discovered or plot ideas concocted that members would bring them to the attention of the group and then to Qenbet at large. --I would also like to hear from the other members ofthe board, and see those discussions be more public-- That is a direct contradiction to the request to limit administrative posts. The board would much rather ALL the members of Qenbet to post their views on the subject and then we can take that all under consideration during OUR discussions. You should also all feel free to contact ANY of us with your concerns. Things are discussed, suggestions made, a plan agreed on and a member or two empowered to deal with that situation. That way the work is spread out evenly and according to the board members talents. No one person will have to endure all the rubbish that drove Nesnut so crazy.
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Sekhmet Meritamen Date: 06-12-01 09:12 In correcting people's medical faux pas' as I said, I would definitely do it quietly. One would *hope* by now, however, that most Qenbet members know that ancient Egyptian physicians were not superstious primitives who didnt know if it was the herb doing a cure or magic, etc. But that aside, yes, its always private, and its always done in the most efficient and congenial way possible. Yes, I would be a mentor, I am available on the site, or via ICQ, # 4699385. I prefer this to email, actually, because I get in excess of 400 emails per day and my ISP's email server is not the best. If you send it via email, there is no guarantee I will answer it, and that doesn't help if a post is due in a timely manner. ;-) I am still not satisfied as to taking discussions offsite. In the site's defense, that is why we built it, to provide a central place for everyone. we have chatrooms etc. Announcements for ICQ chats etc. should be posted on the site in order to keep everyone informed. This has worked in the past, and as I stated earlier, in order to help with the development ofthe site, we need to know what tools you want and need. Its a two way street, folks, help us out here. I dont see communication on a community site as a direct contradiction - I see it as necessary to preserving the community itself. As for webspace, etc. There are plans for this, and directories of resources are available in the Reference library here at PanHistoria.
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Tarset Hatshepsut Date: 06-12-01 09:18 Sekhmet Meritamen wrote: > > > I may normally agree, however in this case Im not sure that I > do. Akhentar, who I know is very good at keeping people > informed publically has been strangely silent. I would like > to hear from him, since he is also a board member. I find myself a bit perplexed, I would imagine that one either abides by the rules that the Board Members put forth, even in regards to how they discuss issues and even post their decisions (ie, either one or all) or you don't. Basteta has already mentioned that the Board Members have discussed the writer's group, as Ahktenar is amongst them, one would naturally assume he is already aware. And as someone has already pointed out, Qenbet is not a democracy. *smile* I do not say this to stir up bad feelings - we have already had enough of those running amok, but perhaps we should spend less time questioning the motives of some of the Board Members and just move along towards making Qenbet a great group again. That said, Basteta, when would this new writer's group commence? I am rather looking forward to it. *grin*
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Nesnut Date: 06-12-01 09:46 A word from the crypt (this is what happens when you quote me). I never touted Qenbet as a democracy but I did try and inform and let people share their views over important issues that affected them. Remember the time jump? We discussed it for weeks and then we all got to vote on it. I'm not happy with an invisible decision process by the board members. It's not to say that the Queen's writing group isn't a great idea. It has a great deal of merit. What I don't like is the summary dropping of a topic that people enjoy and being told that if I want to discuss writing I have to join a mentor group. I do understand that some people are shy. I have considered all of Qenbet to be my mentors and my equals so I've always felt that discussion can be in the open. What about a world where both options are available? What's the problem with that? The people are making their voice heard. It's one thing to be a monarchy but quite another to be dictatorship. Dead people get to speak freely. *sweet smile*
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Tarset Hatshepsut Date: 06-12-01 10:10 Em hotep, Nesnut. I have been awaiting your appearance. *smile* Quite honestly, I thought I was quoting Tjeti from an earlier conversation, I have no desire to resurrect the dead, let them sleep as they deserve their rest I always say. *smile* I didn't realize that within my post I had made reference to a dictatorship nor attempted to suppress anyone's right to post or were you just mentioning it in passing? *slightly confused* I merely mentioned that perhaps if the motives of the Board Members would not be called into question so often we could start moving forward instead of backwards. And perhaps if they did not feel the need to be on the defensive, more open conversations would occur, just a thought. I would assume even the dead would want that? Well, I guess the dead actually have to let go of the living, don't they? *smile*
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Subhajit Singh Date: 06-12-01 10:31 Tarset Hatshepsut wrote: > > > appearance. *smile* Quite honestly, I thought I was quoting > Tjeti from an earlier conversation, I have no desire to > resurrect the dead, let them sleep as they deserve their rest > I always say. *smile* > Well, I guess the dead actually have to let go of the living, > don't they? *smile* > > I am shocked at the rudeness of your commentary, Tarset. Nesnut was a good leader for Qenbet, and your thinly veiled attempt to tell her to shut up and butt out, really isn't very polite at all. Maybe the rest of us who migrated here from AS are no longer welcome in Qenbet with the current administration and the flock of followers that surround them. I never thought I would see it and it makes me infinitely sad. I think you owe Nesnut an apology, Tarset. That was very rude.
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Nesnut Date: 06-12-01 10:31 Em hotep means 'in peace'. Actually I'm not really dead. Just thought I should point that out. I'm a member here like anyone else and I have a point of view, and the belief that I might express it honestly, because that's the kind of Qenbet I love. If I'm not to express my feelings then I can easily go elsewhere. I wan't actually answering you in particular though you did quote me, and Tjeti was quoting me. It was my campaign speech when I first ran for Pharaoh. I have a long memory. *grin* I also didn't say you say that you made an reference to dictatorships or anything of the sort. I was inferring that the kind of deletion of the Qenbet's Writer's Workshop and transformation into the Queen's Writing Group (I forget the exact title) was something of a dictatorial move. It might seen petty right now to quibble but it's a trend that could lead to unpleasantness in the future. "Well, I guess the dead actually have to let go of the living, don't they? *smile*" I find that remark offensive actually. I'll let it go at that.
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Tarset Hatshepsut Date: 06-12-01 10:40 Subhajit, I have no idea where you even remotely got your ideas from. I in no way, shape or form, told Nesnut to "butt out and shut up". Please get your translations straight before you start actively and viciously attacking someone else. In fact, I was referencing her dedicated hard work, effort and stress that she underwent as being a good leader to Qenbet in regards to deserving rest. I will also not issue any apologies when the only fault is that some members have apparently lost their senses of humor. Honestly Nesnut, I am surprised that you would be offended by that remark considering we used to joke quite a bit on AS. The times have changed indeed.
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Nesnut Date: 06-12-01 10:49 Tarset, I don't believe I know you by that name. If it was a joke I'm sorry for being offended, but since I don't recall the name "Tarset" and the tone seemed to imply I should stay dead and shut my trap, I got offended. Perhaps you would care to IM me and tell me which old friend I am talking to and then I can stop feeling hurt? *smile*
Just a Clarification for the Board Author: Tjeti Priest Date: 06-12-01 13:12 I'm not sure, since I noticed that Basteta referred to me as 'Wyatt', that you know that I am an agent at the site and I'm also known as Wyatt Earp or Red King. It's quite publically posted in several places and I sometimes even get mixed up. *grin* I wanted to clarify that since you might have misunderstood my earlier comments about giving notice. As an agent you must give notice of topic deletion, preferably a week, or you can contact everyone with a post on the topic to let them know then need to save it if they wish. That was my only issue as a site agent. The board members are free to run the novel as they choose. As for my other comments they were as a member of this novel. I might not have made that clear and I should have. My apologies if I was confusing. I'll mind my manners better in future.
RE: Writers Group Questions Author: Basteta-Tiye Date: 06-12-01 13:26 Writing can always be discussed on the general LIQ discussion topic and has been before now. A naturally outgrowth of the group would be carrying a discussion over to that topic for further discussion. Or vice versa. The two other topics will be combined into the Queen's Writers Group simply to avoid confusion. I do hope that all those who wish to discuss writing will join, you don't need to be a mentor or to have one to do so. A place would be provided where resources could be mentioned and a list gathered without having to comb all of Qenbet for them. In actually having you join a group, a short list is provided to new writers of people to begin meeting and working with in Qenbet and a safe haven provided to do so. It is a place to start and one that will work with and go beyond the Welcoming Committee. THAT group will be addressed when Pan opens up to the public. This has nothing to do with site development and at AS you had a choice of having personal pages on site or on a personal server. I happen to have a great deal of server space at Earthlink so it only makes since to have more detailed pages there and reserve my Pan space for my per and the main page of the Writers Group. Any chats would certainly happen on site. As to when we start - I am taking names right now. Please leave a message at my per or email me at asrd1@earthlink.net and let me know how you wish to participate: member, area expert and subject, mentor and the type of mentoring you wish to do. Once the main page is up, you can choose your own mentor. In the meantime, those people who have written articles in the past about various aspects of Kemetic life please repost them in the new topic or give us links to favorite resource sites.
RE: Writers Group Questions - Thank you Author: Sekhmet Meritamen Date: 06-12-01 14:47 Basteta: Thank you for the clarifications. That was most helpful. :-)
Acknowledged Author: Basteta-Tiye Date: 06-12-01 18:08 Thank you both, I am glad we have things all straightened out. I hope you will both participate in the group.
A Few Notes Author: Akhenheru Hatshepsut Date: 06-12-01 18:25 First off, let me say that I'm glad to see so many of us (including Nesnut! *wink*) here expressing opinions & (finally...Dua Netjer!) starting to get back to what we in Qenbet do best. It's great to be back home.... :-) *lol* And second, just thought I'd let everyone know that from tomorrow until Monday, I'll be on a RL trip visiting relatives in North Carolina. Feel free to leave messages, IMs (those of you that have my info), and e-mails, anyway. I'll answer them when I get back. The Iunu gang (you know who you are) is also welcome to include me in their posts until I return! :-)
Real Life Meetings Author: Basteta-Tiye Date: 06-13-01 02:29 Akhenheru, Wish I had known you would be here in NC since if you were going to be within driving distance I would have arranged a meet for coffee and fun. I have had the pleasure of meeting many of my friends from variousmailing lists/groups over the years and would love to meet some Qenbeters. Give a shoot people when you travel so we can have some "face" time!
ATTN: Iunu Gang and Per-Basters Author: Basteta-Tiye Date: 06-13-01 02:37 I need to speak with you all about a story line. I have lost my email addys due to a system crash so please send me a note at asrd1@earthlink.net so I can find you.
ATTN ALL: role play reminder Author: Basteta-Tiye Date: 06-13-01 04:50 With the current storylines becoming so convoluted please be very careful with details such as time and place. Also if you are including other players characters, however briefly, please check with that person before posting. There have been a few mistakes that have resulted in a great deal of confusion. Many people have been asking for details on various storylines and please understand that the authors may not be at liberty to divulge the information or are reserving some details for surprises. I have finally caught up again with all the role play posts and it was a great read. Thanks everyone! Basteta-Tiye Great Royal Wife
Alexandria Author: Karamy Istenofret Date: 06-13-01 09:50 Please forgive my posting this so late but while the novel board indicates that Karamy Istenofret has been demoted as Nomarch of Alexandria, the position is not "open" as yet as there are several plotlines threading their way through the politics of the new Pharaoh's reign. Since I don't want to give away the story, I must beg the members indulgence on this. I hope you enjoy the plot twists! Karamy, Once & (maybe if Pharaoh don't exile me) future Nomarch
The opening of a new chapter of LIQ. Author: Thais Sobkneferu Date: 06-15-01 06:52 The Board has decided to open a new chapter in Life In Qenbet This is both in honor of the recent Coronation of Siamun-Re (a,u,s!) and also in response to feedback that the thread has become too large for some of our members to find their way around. The Board realises that some of the membership will have experienced no problems with the size of the thread, however, we have decided that the ending of the Coronation provides an appropriate opportunity to begin a new thread for Life In Qenbet. The new thread will be called, strangely enough: Life In Qenbet VII *g* and an OOC (out of character) thread, for roleplay discussion, entitled Life In Qenbet: OOC will be placed in the Planning Board. The old OOC thread Life In Qenbet VI will also be closed. These two threads will NOT be deleted but will remain on the Novel and Planning boards.
Author: Basteta-Tiye Date: 06-21-01 10:24 I am recruiting writers of all levels prior to finishing the web pages. Please leave your name and my per if you are interested in participating and see the latest posts on the QWG thread.
Qenbet Writers Group Kick-Off! Author: Basteta-Tiye Date: 06-29-01 03:59 We are up and running as of today! Members please review the membership list and read any stories posted after June 25 by group members. The first "assignment" has been posted. The group is located at: http://www.panhistoria.com/Stacks/Novels/read.php?f=180&i=271&t=271 on the planning board. The consolidated post I had made of comments from the previos topics has been lost. If anyone saved a copy, please send it to me and I will repost it.
IMPORTANT:PLEASE READ THIS! Author: Thais Sobkneferu Date: 06-29-01 14:23 Please do as Lily asks and pass on this information. "The IMPanel Bug and How YOU Can Help Author: Lily Sutherland Date: 06-29-01 14:02 Hi everyone! We seem to still have a bug in our IMPanel and that's why it looks like we have so many people online all the time. We really need your help. The reason it looks like there are so many of us here is because some of you have been bumped off and just closed your browser instead of logging out properly. Unfortunately, when the site bumps you and tells you that you're logged out, it's lying to you. You're still on the panel. So when there are a bunch of you who have done that, it starts gumming up the works and is now affecting people trying to log in. I know it's really a pain, but if you can, after you've been bumped off PLEASE come back and login and then out again properly. It would help to clean up the panel and clean up the works a bit. The communication system we have takes a lot of RAM and so it's slowing things down a bit as well. It would be helpful if you could pass this information on to everyone you talk to and Board Members, please post this in your novels. There are folks out there who don't read the daily index or the memberboards. It's impossible for me to leave this message on every novel board. Feel free to copy and paste this exact message to your boards. Thanks for your help. We really need to get the word out on this one folks. *smile* "
Special Day! Author: Akhenheru Hatshepsut Date: 07-10-01 14:14 I don't wanna toot my own horn, but I decided that I'd still like to share some news with everybody who didn't know.... TODAY'S MY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!! I'm 20. Yaaaaaay! Gifts are welcome at my per.... *wink* *Getting out her White Album CD and cranking up the Beatles' "Birthday" song.... *
RE: Special Day! Author: Ahktenar Date: 07-11-01 09:39 Happy Birthday Akhenheru!
RE: Special Day! Author: Tetisheri Date: 07-11-01 11:55 Happy late birthday, Akhenheru! Hope you had a great one! I remember being 20. *LOL* But I *won't* tell you how long ago that was! Live it up, girl!
Announcing the Launch of "Shemsu Netjeru"! Author: Akhenheru Hatshepsut Date: 07-17-01 16:39 First off, thanks to everyone for the b-day wishes! And second, I'd like to announce the launch of "Shemsu Netjeru" -- a little adoption agency/campaign for us ancient Egyptian PH members similar to the ones we used to have at AS. It's meant to unite us in our devotion to the Netjeru and also make us all feel a bit more at home. :-) If you're interested, check out the link below. Shemsu Netjeru
Taking Stock Author: Siamun-Re Date: 07-22-01 19:16 Everyone; I am saddened to read the latest developments in Qenbet. I have had company in town and was not able to login until now. I am dismayed by what I read. I am going on my scheduled vacation and will be away a week. Let's have a lull in posting until then. When I return I will consult with Thais and Basteta regarding how to conclude, as best as possible, this tragic story. A very disheartened pharaoh, Siamun-Re
RE: Taking Stock Author: Ahktenar Date: 07-23-01 17:06 I have done so. As Tjeti said, it's not fun anymore. I had my character have a heart attack to take a break and try to recharge. It didn't work. Even the attack caused some problems. Now there's this latest round. I'm tired of it. I'm done. Effective immediately, I resign as Vizier. I have already had myself removed as a board member.
Speaking Up Author: Mirjam Date: 07-24-01 07:20 It´s long since this group was any fun. I´m going where there are friends, where there is trust, cooperation and no 'political intrigues' or 'ruling'. Where the atmosphere from the days of Cleo and Maatibre can live and breathe freely again. Take my Per Ankh pages down if you want to. They no longer serve only this group. They serve the whole of Panhistoria Community. And throw yourselves at my post like vultures. Pick my bones, backtalk me. I don´t care. The knowledge is in my heart and my head and I´m bringing it with me. Eat your heart out. To come back online and see oldtime friends being so misintrepreted and mistrusted - frankly it sickens me. The things I found out from various sources as to what had happened while I was way... To see what this group has turned into leaves me no doubt as to where my loyalties are. Those who caused all this to happen surely know who they are. If they had just slackened their 'control grip' somewhat, things would have turned out differently. Qenbet is being bled of its´ best writers and is a far cry from what it was. It has long since lost its´originality and is turning into yet one more in the long line of roleplaying groups. I have done what I could. This old Dinosaur is seeking greener and happier pastures.
RE: Speaking Up Author: NahehAakhu Hatshepsut Date: 07-31-01 23:08 ALAS! ALAS! ALAS! IT SEEMS IT HAS HAPPENED AGAIN. WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE STORYLINE? WHERE IS TJETI, HE WHO CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH TO THE OLD QENBET. WHERE IS MIRJAM, WHO DID LIKEWISE. DITTO AHKTENAR. WHOSE IDEA WAS IT TO KILL THE REBELS OFF, WAS IT WITH THEIR KNOWLEDGE? WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO DEMOCRACY? I'D LIKE VERY MUCH TO HAVE SOME ANSWERS, IF SOMEONE COULD TAKE THE TIME, I SEE THE SAME OLD THINGS HAPPENING TIME AND TIME AGAIN. DO WE NEVER LEARN????? MIRJAM IS CORRECT WHEN SHE SAYS THE FUN SEEMS TO HAVE GONE FROM THE GROUP.
Departure Author: Siamun-Re Date: 08-03-01 11:22 My dear friends at Qenbet, I have decided that the time has arrived to announce my resignation from Qenbet. It's been a real pleasure working with you all. I've made many friends. It's been enjoyable serving you. But I believe that changes are needed so I am moving on. The hand behind Thais will succeed me on the throne of our fictional kingdom. She and Basteta-Tiye will continue as the administrators of this site. I wish them both my very best and am sure that they will work hard to bring new direction to this dear novel. Take care! Osiris UserIrytnRe Siamun-Re
RE: Departure Author: Thais Sobkneferu Date: 08-03-01 12:24 Many thanks Siamun-Re for all your hard work for Qenbet. It has been a pleasure working with you. Both Thais and the hand behind her will miss you.
RE: Departure Author: Jonamun Date: 08-03-01 13:09 Siamun, It's been more than a pleasure to have shared your time in Qenbet. I regret your decision to move on, and am conscious of the rather huge gap you will leave in your wake. I would wish you fond adventures in your new endeavors, but I know full well you will create them in any case ;-] You did a wonderful job keeping the story hopping, fulfilling the task of fictional pulse and driving force with excellence. Thank you for sharing yourself for as long as you have. With admiration and respect, Jonamun
RE: Departure Author: KaRa Date: 08-03-01 16:13 Thank you so very much for all of your efforts. I am indeed very sad to see you go but as you pass through the field of reeds pluck a few and sharpen them. You will need them wherever you go and may you have much joy wherever that is. For the last time, Ank! Udja! Seneb! Your Master Architect of Upper Kemet, KaRa Thutmose. *S*
Farewell Husband Author: Basteta-Tiye Date: 08-05-01 05:56 While I may never forgive you for making me a widow (again!) Basteta-Tiye and the hand behind her will miss you and your storytelling abilities. Ank! Udja! Seneb! Dear One!
RE: Departure Author: IrysNepthys Seshat Date: 08-05-01 07:56 IrysNepthys and the hands behind will strongly miss Siamun-Re and the hands behind, and wishes our departed Per'aa a gentle journey to the West. Thank you for all you have done here for us.
RE: Departure Author: Iufenamun Amenhotep Date: 08-05-01 23:15 Go figure. Just when I am considering coming back, you go and bolt on me. Well, best of luck. E-mail me and let me know what you're up to if you feel like it. Your old compatriot, Iuf iufen@hotmail.com
Another infamous Iufenamun speech... Author: Iufenamun Amenhotep Date: 08-14-01 22:29 Friends! Countrymen! Not Romans! Oh, fine. You could let me have my one bad pun of the day. Well, there it is, above this. No more of that, I promise. Anyhow, here I am again in Qenbet after many months of absence. To tell you the truth, I didn't think I would ever be back, but here I am. I'm repeating myself, aren't I? Sorry about that. Well, I can't really tell you how exactly I decided to stick my nose back into things. I just came back one day, had a look around, and lo and behold - pandemonium. Can't I even leave for a few months witout everything falling apart? Ok, kidding aside, I was very sad to see my beloved Qenbet be in trouble and in danger of completely falling apart (yet again). Certainly, one of my options was to chastise people for acting like children and dissapear again, high and mighty on my horse. On the other hand, there's the option of sticking around and trying to help rebuild things and put Humpty-Dumpty back together. Needless to say from this obvious exercise in making you read my endless blathering on and on, I decided to stick around a while. It does seem a few people still remember me and are strangely fond of me, so I might actually have a little positive influence left in me. Also, people tell me my writing still seems to be passable, so I guess that helps too. I see that practically all the remaining Dinosaurs from the ancient Qenbet days (of a few years ago) are gone now. I don't really blame them, after all I had burned out and bolted once. After participating becomes more work than fun, and more aggravating than inspiring, it's understandable. In my boundless ego however, I do think there should be one of the Dinosaurs around a little while longer, spreading the influence of the ancient guardians of the Qenbet ways. Or something fortune-cookie sounding like that. Anyhow, it does seem that for better or worse that's me. I know. I'm dissapointed too. I'd prefer someone more deserving, like my good friend Nebmaatre. But there you have it. We're all stuck with me. The whole point of this endless diatrabe is; 1) Hello! I'm back (woo-hoo...) 2) No, Qenbet isn't completely dead, dang it! Let's get it going again. Anyhow, there you have it. I hope the few of you that remember me from the wacky ol' days find my renewed presence encouraging. I know I'm glad to be back, however scattered things are at the moment. Stick around! Things are going to be getting better. You have my word on it. Yer Ol' pal, Iuf
* Whistling & Cheering * Author: Akhenheru Hatshepsut Date: 08-15-01 16:55 Iuf...I'm with ya, man! And let me just state that I LOVE stupid puns! *lol* Yaaaaay! *standing up tall, clapping and cheering at the top of my lungs* That's all I wanted to say. *ahem* I'm done now. *tee hee*
Loss of a board member Author: Thais Sobkneferu Date: 08-21-01 15:20 Basteta-Tiye has emailed me to say that she has left Pan Historia. So as pharaoh and the only board member left I asked several people, who have all helped Qenbet in the past, to help out. Hopefully we can get this novel going again, they are all good people. *smiles* And I may get some time to actually write. I have been unable to write due to having to carry out most of the admin duties on my own for last couple of weeks. I have also been working on Virtual Kemet and will be letting you have a look at the sometime next week. No promises though. *smiles* Answers to some questions: What about the time-jump? Since no one seems to be posting the board has decided that we should not time-jump. That should allow Iufen to post his attack on the Romans and Parthians. What about Basteta-TIye's character? I have no idea what is going to happen. I've emailed the hand behind Basteta to come back to remove herself from the board and to post. What about the reorganisation of the boards? That will go ahead as planned, but will take a while longer since Basteta-Tiye was in charge of that. X-posted in What Do You Want?
Qenbet Banners Author: Thais Sobkneferu Date: 08-26-01 13:26 Many thank to IrysNepthys Seshat who has kindly designed three banners for the Banner X-Change Superstore. Thanks Irys for stepping into the breach. :-) For those interested they can be found in this post, Qenbet banners at the Banner Exchange topic in Pan's discussion boards. (Archivist's NB: Guild post linked to deleted) (hr) Virtual Kemet Author: Thais Sobkneferu Date: 09-08-01 05:56 Em hotep everyone! Well here is the slimmed down Virtual Kemet. It's not finished and if you've been left off the Casting Couch list, my apologies. Let me know and I'll update it. Any suggestions for links, new pages, acknowledgements etc will be welcome. *smiles*
RE: New dustjacket Author: Thais Sobkneferu Date: 09-10-01 12:53 Many thanks to Mirjam, who designed the cool winged scarab (Khepera rising) backgrounds for both the dust-jacket and Virtual Kemet. :-)
Hey Chi-Town! Cleopatra Fans! Check This Out! Author: Akhenheru Hatshepsut Date: 10-29-01 21:32 Hi everybody! Glad to be back! I've got big news! Are there any AT Cleopatra fans living in the Chicago area? Cos if you are, the Field Museum is holding an exhibit on Cleopatra! It boasts all kinds of artifacts, including a document bearing Cleopatra's very own handwriting. For more information, visit the Cleopatra exhibit's website here! This exhibit will be at the Field until March 2002, so hurry on down to Chi-Town and see it while you can! :-)
Author: Aakheperkare Date: 01-21-02 13:49 Alright, with the new year we're rolling out a few new Qenbet banners. The Khenuneferais ones will probably still be supported by PH, but these ones are newer and the Thais icon is changed to a younger one. All the previous Pharoahs (image 1) Thais secialty (image 2) The ol' Kemet vs. Rome style (image 3) There'll be more as they come, especially Kemet vs. Rome ones, I'm having trouble designing a good one yet. (Archivist's NB: saved images on hard drive)
Great new look DJ! Author: Big Baba Date: 05-02-02 05:00 Whoa-hoo Tyoka! The DJ looks fantastic, keep up the good work *Grins*
RE: Great new look DJ! Author: Tyoka Hatshepsut Date: 05-02-02 08:45 Thank you! If you guys have any suggestions on things to add and what not, please, suggest!! :o)